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Hey while we're at it, why dont we post a no save anytime rule and put a 48 hour time attack on this bad boy. That should make it just short of impossible! :-D


Sick enough for ya?

From: GarlandG | Posted: 10/21/2005 11:54:25 PM | Message Detail

^^Actually, that's already been done, but with a 12 hour limit. :D And this winter, I'm aiming for the 11 hours mark. Now that's just short of impossible.


I'll catch up with the other posts later. Kinda busy right now. Oh, and my eyes are getting better. :)

From: Ragnarok500 | Posted: 10/22/2005 4:25:59 AM | Message Detail

Thieves in the prison are a serious pain in the ***. I can't kill them quickly enough before they run off with my stuff. Granted, usually what they steal is banned or of little value, but it's still annoying.


New Enemy Skills:


ESM#1: Laser (Death Claw)

ESM#2: Laser (Death Claw), Matra Magic (Bullmotor)


Dyne


Barret: L16, Materia- ESM#1


Strategy: All of Dyne's attacks barely cracked ~50, and even Dyne's multiple actions per turn weren't a problem. Flame Thrower hit for ~110. >_> *moves on*


Bwhaha. Time to kill ES hunting!


New Enemy Skills:


ESM#1: Big Guard (Beach Plug), Aqualung (Harpy), White Wind (Zemzelett), Beta (Midgar Zolom)

ESM#2: Big Guard (Beach Plug), Aqualung (Harpy), White Wind (Zemzelett), Flame Thrower (Ark Dragon), L4 Suicide (Mu), Beta (Midgar Zolom)


Reno and Rude


Cloud: L19, Materia- Manipulate L1, Sense L1

Cait Sith: L18, Materia- ESM#2, Sense L1

Yuffie: L20, Materia- ESM#1, Steal L1


Strategy: Betaed and Aqualunged (~650-~850) the Turk duo until their prompt deaths.


New Enemy Skills:


ESM#1: Frog Song (Touch Me), Death Sentence (Gi Spector)

ESM#2: Frog Song (Touch Me), Death Sentence (Gi Spector)


In the Cave of the Gi right now, but with Frog Song and Phoenix Downs, I shouldn't have any trouble with the mandatory battles.

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The Not So Legendary Challenge Guide Writer.

"Macbeth Act 5, Scene 5, L19-L28" - Nihilism isn't fun.

From: essentialism | Posted: 10/22/2005 8:01:18 AM | Message Detail

I'll catch up with the other posts later. Kinda busy right now. Oh, and my eyes are getting better. :)


Thats a relief, was it a case of sore eyes?


Oh and hows the battle plan going on?

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FFXII [OBFC]

From: woopleman | Posted: 10/22/2005 9:40:38 PM | Message Detail

Has anyone ever done a NPA & NM challenge at the same time?


It'd be interesting at least...


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From: lolo26 | Posted: 10/22/2005 11:06:08 PM | Message Detail

*first post in the new Topic*


Can't believe it really is the first....anyway great to see guys doing all those challenges, I read up all the updates and like what I'm seeing :).

Great you picked up the LESC Tonfa :P


I know this is a very late but to the guys asking about NMNIIENANNMIL1L:


I won't go into details how to do it but it isn't that hard up to Hojo if you know what you're doing and know where the Mandatory Inns are.

Hojo requires some heavy leveling (up to 70 at least) and as Garland said in the first post Seph hasn't been beaten and for good reason...I don't think he's possible even with all the luck in the world...but I'll try to find out some day what restrictions must be taken away to make him possible >_>


From: woopleman

Has anyone ever done a NPA & NM challenge at the same time?


It'd be interesting at least...


Well if you go with Garland's definition of NPA: Never use the attack command in battle then you would only need to make an exception for the first Reactor and the rest shouldn't be very hard... but not quite easy either especially because you'll experience money troubles >_<

If you consider Grenades etc...to be physical attacks well...hem... the entire Midgar part and probably even more doesn't seem possible.


Anyway I'm pretty sure it hasn't be tried before >_>

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From: lolo26 | Posted: 10/22/2005 11:13:20 PM | Message Detail

Oh and I forgot to mention that Garland plans on doing a LLIOIENA challenge, so you see that NPANM=IO shouldn't be very hard, I mean he adds LL, IE and NA to it....just shows how powerful Items are in the game :)

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"Trying is the first step towards failure." - Homer

From: Thundaka | Posted: 10/23/2005 1:52:06 AM | Message Detail

Well if you go with Garland's definition of NPA: Never use the attack command in battle then you would only need to make an exception for the first Reactor and the rest shouldn't be very hard... but not quite easy either especially because you'll experience money troubles


Not necessarily, if both limit breaks and items are allowed. Both Cloud and Barret can use two limit breaks without needing to heal. Cloud would need two for the MPs, and you would need six or seven to kill Guard Scorpion. You have three Potions in your inventory initially, you can pick up three in the reactor itself, and it's easy enough to try the first battle until the MPs drop a Potion. If you do that, I don't think you would need to make an exception.


As for money problems, Steal is the solution. Spend a while running through the Mythril Mines or Mt. Nibel stealing Ethers, and you'll have more than enough gil.


Good to see you're back, Garland. Any idea what the problem with your eyes was?

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Corn chips are no place for a mighty warrior.

--homestarrunner.com

From: BZer0 | Posted: 10/23/2005 3:23:05 AM | Message Detail

You'll need the Steal Materia for that, though...

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From: GarlandG | Posted: 10/23/2005 6:34:00 AM | Message Detail

You're up bright and early as usual, BZer0 ^_^ I forgot to comment your last post (where you asked if getting up at 1:30 AM is late or early), but to answer the question, I'd say it depends. If you got up for work, then it's definitely early, but otherwise... you get the picture :p


As for me, I got up at 9 PM last night, and I usually get up for work, but I'd still say it's late. I usually go to bed around 9 or 10 AM and then I get up around 5 and 6 PM. Getting up at 2 AM sucks, so I prefer sleeping after work.


Anyway, I've read all the posts I missed when I had the eye problem, but there's really not much to comment. Unless I forgot something, all the questions were answered. Anyway, I had a good time reading the updates as usual, and it's good to see that you're having fun (and frustrations :p) with your challenges. It's good to see Tonfa back in action...the only one missing now is Anima Zero. He hasn't posted in this topic yet...


About the eye problem, I really don't know what it was. They just started to hurt after spending a short time in front of the screen. It's kinda hard to explain, but sometimes it almost felt like someone was knocking on my eyeballs from inside my head. Thankfully, it wasn't painful. It just hurt when I was staring at the screen. That "knocking" came after going away from the screen. Weird.


As for the LLNMIENA/LLIOIENA battle plan, I simply forgot about it again, so I haven't done anything since last time, but since the IO is starting next Tuesday, I have to finish it before then. I promised to post the challenge topic a week before, so it'll be posted this Tuesday, or in two days to be exact. The reason why this challenge gets its own topic is because it's an arranged challenge that many people will be joining (hopefully).


That's it for now.

From: Thundaka | Posted: 10/23/2005 9:06:08 AM | Message Detail

You'll need the Steal Materia for that, though...


Good point. In that case, you'd probably take care of your finances the same way as in LLNMIENA: selling equipment and unnecessary items up to the beginning of Disc 2, using the Mythril trick after getting the Highwind, and killing Movers on Disc 3.

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Corn chips are no place for a mighty warrior.

--homestarrunner.com

From: essentialism | Posted: 10/23/2005 3:09:53 PM | Message Detail

Lucky for me I had my cactuar fights. :P

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Better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt. - Leon Trotsky

FFXII [OBFC]

From: Ragnarok500 | Posted: 10/23/2005 11:18:45 PM | Message Detail

T____T So... uncool... My laptop froze on me during the Lost Number fight. So, upon refusing to respond to Alt+Ctrl+Delete, I was forced to forcefully shut it off via the power button. Once I turned it back on, I couldn't connect to Windows XP. In fact, after trying nearly every alternative, I couldn't reaccess. The only option left is... reinstalling all the basic Windows programs and losing all the software and documents hitherto saved. That, or visiting my campus' laptop maintenance wing to have them tinker with it. Worst case scenario, I lose half a semester's worth of work: Notes, papers, programs, emulators (here, 10ish hours of work), and what ****es me off the most, all the notes I'd scribbled down on that novel I was planning on writing.


*sighs* Well, on the up(?) side, assuming I start over, I could change allot of stuff, namely getting Yuffie much later, as in, post-Highwind later because I'd like to grab Magic Hammer easily first. I've been playing with an unstated NE stipulation so far that I'm considering officially adding, but I need an easy source of magical attack items first to make it through the lost materia sidequest in Wutai. If I want to play with NE and LL50 stipulations, well, I'd have to stop one of them if I planned on stealing from Thunderbirds for xx # of battles.

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The Not So Legendary Challenge Guide Writer.

"Macbeth Act 5, Scene 5, L19-L28" - Nihilism isn't fun.

From: BZer0 | Posted: 10/24/2005 5:12:40 AM | Message Detail

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

From: dinky12 | Posted: 10/24/2005 10:42:54 PM | Message Detail

Bump ^_^

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From: Thundaka | Posted: 10/25/2005 6:27:31 AM | Message Detail

A semi-random question about Gremlin:


Does anyone know whether he can still use Bad Mouth after he's turned into a frog? It does pretty severe damage even in the back row, so if it works I thought using Frog Song to reduce the damage would be a good idea. (Headhunter can still use Extreme Bomber when he's a frog, though the name is no longer shown, so it seems possible.)

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Corn chips are no place for a mighty warrior.

--homestarrunner.com

From: GarlandG | Posted: 10/25/2005 6:42:11 AM | Message Detail

Thundaka: I have no idea...


Ragnarok: That sure sucks, and I know exactly how you feel. Same thing happened to me once and I lost a lot of important stuff, but thankfully not as much as you seem to have lost. I hope you find a solution.


As for the LLIOIENA topic, I'll post it tonight.

From: phileasbu | Posted: 10/25/2005 7:05:54 AM | Message Detail

I designed a challenge for Emerald weapon.


1. No Items

2. No Extra Hit/Extra Move Materia

Banned materia list: Counter, Magic Counter, Sneak Attack, Final Attack, Added Cut, Quadra Magic, Double Cut, W-Magic, W-Summon, W-Item, Counter Attack, Knights of Round

Note: Master Summon is allowed, but Knights of Round should never be used

3. Level 1 Limits Only


Lucky 7s and slot are not allowed, of course.


You are all FF7 experts, so I'll be glad to hear any comment from you about this challenge.


BTW, I don't like the idea about boosting dexterity with speed sources. Any other strategy is welcome.

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 10/25/2005 7:40:14 AM | Message Detail

Mmmm......is Mime, MP Absorb, Underwater Materia, MP Turbo, MP Plus, Magic Plus, Master Magic, Enemy Skill, Mega All allowed ?


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Emerald Weapon's worst nightmare ^^

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 10/25/2005 7:41:12 AM | Message Detail

And how about HP Absorb ?


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From: phileasbu | Posted: 10/25/2005 8:07:12 AM | Message Detail

They are all allowed.

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 10/25/2005 8:12:00 AM | Message Detail

One more question : Is number of each materia limited ?

Can I have 3 Mega-All, or 6 Magic Plus ?, or 9 Contain ?

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From: phileasbu | Posted: 10/25/2005 8:26:04 AM | Message Detail

Yes, you can. You can also equip 3 master command, 6 master magic or 9 master summon if you want.

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 10/25/2005 8:35:34 AM | Message Detail

How about :

~[Insert ultimate weapon's name here]~

Ultima=HP Absorb | Ultima=MP Absorb | Ultima=MP Turbo | Magic Plus=Magic Plus |

~Wizard Bracelet~

Speed Plus=Speed Plus | Enemy Skill (With Dragon Force , Angel Whisper and White Wind learned)=Underwater |HP Plus=MP Plus | Mime

~Sprint Shoes~

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Emerald Weapon's worst nightmare ^^

From: phileasbu | Posted: 10/25/2005 8:53:58 AM | Message Detail

WoW! You can add 'Solo character' to this challenge?

Or you just have the same setup on all three characters?


How do you survive Aire Tam Storm?

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 10/25/2005 9:18:10 AM | Message Detail

No it's no for solo...

To survive AireTam Storm I'll destroy eyes (3 x Ultima (9999 dmg enough) and AireTam Storm will not happened.

As for Solo I think Comet2 will help and Touph Ring may be.


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Emerald Weapon's worst nightmare ^^

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 10/25/2005 10:08:59 AM | Message Detail

Without Quadra Magic, Solo will fully depend on your luck. You must destroy all eyes in three turns and AireTam Storm will happen at second turn you're screwed.


Or you can use :


M.Magic=HP Absorb|M.Magic=MP Absorb|Enemy Skill.


In the start of battle you cast Dragon Force\Angel Whisper\Big Guard.

Then if eyes dead - Demi

If eyes alive - Ultima.


Equipment :

Ultima Weapon

Zeidrich

Touph Ring


Long ....very long battle awaits -)

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Emerald Weapon's worst nightmare ^^

From: phileasbu | Posted: 10/25/2005 10:58:55 AM | Message Detail

You can always kill eyes before Aire Tam Storm? So you don't heal after Emerald Beam? And you can cast 3 ultima before the eyes?


After Emerald Beam you are about 3400 HP.

You cast ultima to absorb hp and mp, but if 4 eyes act before your third ultima, and focus on one character, your plan will fail.


As you said, this is a long long battle, and if Emerald's hp is under 500000, he will be at angry mode and revive eyes frequently. I don't think your mp will be enough even with Ultima + MP absorb
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