General Challenge Discussions Topic Part II




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"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.", Lord Acton, 1887

From: GarlandG | Posted: 12/3/2005 11:44:04 PM | Message Detail

Well, you would have to be one hell of a speed runner, that's for sure.

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 12/3/2005 11:53:22 PM | Message Detail

Well if PERFECT GAME Excalibur II proved to be possible, so why Level One will not? =)


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"No matter what happens, isn't it important to try?" - Bugenhagen (FFVII)

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 12/4/2005 12:07:36 AM | Message Detail

Time is "11:36:21". Japanese version of course.


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"No matter what happens, isn't it important to try?" - Bugenhagen (FFVII)

From: FeuFeu | Posted: 12/4/2005 12:07:50 AM | Message Detail

WTF ?? o_O Perfect game ?? But how ? ^^;;


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"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.", Lord Acton, 1887

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 12/4/2005 1:12:04 AM | Message Detail

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=197338&topic=23926013


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"No matter what happens, isn't it important to try?" - Bugenhagen (FFVII)

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 12/4/2005 1:13:02 AM | Message Detail

Btw time was for Level One Excalibur II if someone wonders ;)


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"No matter what happens, isn't it important to try?" - Bugenhagen (FFVII)

From: No End | Posted: 12/4/2005 1:34:50 AM | Message Detail

I've already been paying attention and posting in the Perfect Game EX2 topic and posting suggestions to it,

since it was made.


A few questions, or rather I like to make some comments about everything that Tsuki posted.


For FFIX I've found:

Low Level No Abilities Challenge with those rules:

- Average level at end of game 4.75 (31 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1);

- No Ability Learning (you can't use ability if you haven't equipped item that teach you this ability); In other words Auto-Haste can be equipped only if Running Shoes are equipped;

- No Blue Magic;

- No Summon;

- No Defence Piercing Ability (Thievery, Frog Drop, Dark Matter, Dragon Crest and Lucky Seven);

- No Auction;

- Last Battles must be fought using Level One Characters (In Memoria I guess);


+ Plus they done Level One Excalibur II


I've never tried giving all the EXP to Zidane before, but that could work.


The No Ability Learning, No Blue Magic, No Auction, and Last Battle in Memoria can be added without too much problem to the challenge.


Having No Summon is just plain stupid, you can't summon anyways, not with that low of MP for Dagger and Eiko. Even if they had enough MP, it isn't very effective against bosses, IIRC. Unless Atomos was apart of it... hmm...


But the No Piercing Piercing Ability Part... I have no idea how they could pull that off. Do they explain how or give any hints of how it's possible?


About Level One EX2, I need some better info on this before I even say anything to the guys doing the PGEX2 challenge. Is the Jap FFIX running at the same speed of game play, time count, and skipping FMV as NTSC? If this was to be possible, I would like to this to my list of completed challenges. Did they say what the final time was?

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"Pfft. Sephiroth is my foot-rest and when he's good I give him a cookie." - SoulOfFayth

From: No End | Posted: 12/4/2005 1:45:24 AM | Message Detail

For FFVIII:

- No Junction | No Invisible | Moon No The End;

or

- No Junction | Solo Battles;

or

- No Junction | Initial Level (except Ultimecia Castle of course (Sphinxara is the reason);

or

- Initial Stats Challenge;


No Junction, No Invisible, No Invisible Moon, No The End challenge is the same thing as the No Junction challenge that I did. There's no difference. Hypro set those rules, I followed them and I completed it.


No Junction, Solo Battle... need more explanation. Beat the game with 1 person surviving each battle? Interesting. Tsuki, was this the idea that you got from when you tried making your challenge? You tried this before yet?


No Junction, Initial Level. I say this is BS. Unless I see any kind of strategy of how they can deal damage to the enemy. Junctions has always been the main source of damage in the game. No Junction was barely pulling it off, by leveling up. I see no other way. Unless you keep spamming The End, but Selphie needs to be a high level to even consider the crazy attempt.


Initial Stats isn't and will never be a challenge.

It makes the game easily beatable, just like a FFX Speed Run or NSG.


For FFVII:

--> LLP (Cloud 8, Tifa 7, Yuffie 17, Red XIII 27, Barret 26, Cait Sith 26, Cid 32)

Standart Command Set (Attack, Limit, Item, Defend, Change) No Attack Items | No Hero Drink | No Materia Leveling

or

--> LLP | No MP* | No Attack Items | No Shopping

or

--> LLP | IE | NA | No Magic, Summon, Support Materia | No Materia Leveling


Plus I've found Fury Ring Run (Your only accessory must be Fury Ring)


Last Battles must be fought using Cloud 8, Tifa 7, Yuffie 17.

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* No MP means that you can't use abilities that require MP.


You guys have done better, haven't you?


I haven't found anything for FFX, mostly because I don't know this game.


Tell me if you do find something.

NSGNCNONS still hasn't been defeated yet.

A lot of OSG and SCC are going on though. With added stuff as well.

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"Pfft. Sephiroth is my foot-rest and when he's good I give him a cookie." - SoulOfFayth

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 12/4/2005 1:52:44 AM | Message Detail

11:36:21


First Disk completed : 03:11:35

Second Disk Completed : 06:53:55

Third Disk Completed : 10:47:43


I already wrote it :)


Movies was skipped indeed.

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As about challenge..


Of course they has whole clear log. Question is: it's in Japanese language. But I can try to translate fight setups, ability etc.. that interested you.


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"No matter what happens, isn't it important to try?" - Bugenhagen (FFVII)

From: No End | Posted: 12/4/2005 1:55:43 AM | Message Detail

That's for Level One EX2? o_O;;


And yes please. Try to find some facts of how they pulled it off, mainly the ones that I have questions about. Especially the one about Level One EX2.

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"Pfft. Sephiroth is my foot-rest and when he's good I give him a cookie." - SoulOfFayth

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 12/4/2005 2:12:33 AM | Message Detail

No Junction, Solo Battle... need more explanation. Beat the game with 1 person surviving each battle? Interesting. Tsuki, was this the idea that you got from when you tried making your challenge? You tried this before yet?

You just fight battle using only one charter, others are K.O.

I was trying to add more interest making that you can do what you want (except stats raising) outside of boss battles. This would allow you to use things that you can't use in No Junction: Dark Matter, Lioheart. Or get them faster.


I haven't tried this, but someone at our (russian) message board are trying this, using Squall. So far he got to the start of 3-rd Disk. He got Lionheart at first disk, so he can fight :)


And we think that solo character other than Selphie\Quistis can't survive soloing Ultimecia, and because of that we have added a rule: you can use Rinoa with your soloing character. But If he dies, you failed.


No Junction, Initial Level. I say this is BS. Unless I see any kind of strategy of how they can deal damage to the enemy. Junctions has always been the main source of damage in the game.

Considering that level of bosses depend on yours. Plus they got Pocketstation, and can get items after they reach Chocobo Forest.


Initial Stats isn't and will never be a challenge.

No Level with Stat Junction =\= challenge.

But this is a 'Initial Stats' or in other words : Initial Level + No Stat Junction.


You guys have done better, haven't you?

*touches CD with his L7 vs Weapons movies*


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"No matter what happens, isn't it important to try?" - Bugenhagen (FFVII)

From: No End | Posted: 12/4/2005 2:50:28 AM | Message Detail

And we think that solo character other than Selphie\Quistis can't survive soloing Ultimecia, and because of that we have added a rule: you can use Rinoa with your soloing character. But If he dies, you failed.


Why is it that Quitis and Selphie can survive it and the others can't?

I don't see them being good... Is there some other else that I'm missing?


Considering that level of bosses depend on yours. Plus they got Pocketstation, and can get items after they reach Chocobo Forest.


Cheap bastartds.

I see no difference between that challenge and FFX-2 New Game Plus Speed Run.


No Level with Stat Junction =\= challenge.

But this is a 'Initial Stats' or in other words : Initial Level + No Stat Junction.


This is possible how?


*touches CD with his L7 vs Weapons movies*


Haha XD

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"Pfft. Sephiroth is my foot-rest and when he's good I give him a cookie." - SoulOfFayth

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 12/4/2005 3:03:31 AM | Message Detail

Why is it that Quitis and Selphie can survive it and the others can't?

I don't see them being good... Is there some other else that I'm missing?

They got Wall\Big Guard and healing (White Wind\Full-Cure) May be this will be helpfull.


This is possible how?

I guess you can use magic refined from items and stones. You got auto-potion, auto-protect, auto-..., + spells like meltdown and other things.

If it's works, then it's gives you apportunity to use magic as offensive ability, isnt it's good?


I see no difference between that challenge and FFX-2 New Game Plus Speed Run.

Umm.. unfortunaly I don't know what you talk about XD. Is it same like in Chrono Trigger where you can run to teleport point right after starting the game and reach the last boss in few minuts.


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"No matter what happens, isn't it important to try?" - Bugenhagen (FFVII)

From: No End | Posted: 12/4/2005 3:28:24 AM | Message Detail

They got Wall\Big Guard and healing (White Wind\Full-Cure) May be this will be helpfull.


That maybe very helpful to stay alive, but how will you kill Ultemicia?


I guess you can use magic refined from items and stones. You got auto-potion, auto-protect, auto-..., + spells like meltdown and other things.

If it's works, then it's gives you apportunity to use magic as offensive ability, isnt it's good?


Oic. I get the point of this challenge now. No stat junction, you stay at initial stats, and try to use everything else to make it possible... Hmm, seems like a fun challenge.


Umm.. unfortunaly I don't know what you talk about XD. Is it same like in Chrono Trigger where you can run to teleport point right after starting the game and reach the last boss in few minuts.


No. New Game Plus is an option that lets you play the whole game over again with all the DS, GG, Accessories, and Items that you've collected in the previous game. So it's possible to for me to use Dark Matter on the first 'real' boss. No boss will ever stand longer than 3 minutes, due to the amount of HP that they have.

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"Pfft. Sephiroth is my foot-rest and when he's good I give him a cookie." - SoulOfFayth

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 12/4/2005 1:20:58 PM | Message Detail

Continuing offtop XD (but anyway 'General Challenge....' it is :P


No End, here is the setup for Necron Battle :

>> Steiner:Ragnarok, Cross Helmet, Aegis Glove, Platina Armor, Hermes Shoes | MP Attack + Always-Haste

>> Salamander: Scissor Fang, Circlet, Chimera Bracelet, Ninja Gear, Reflect Ring | Always-Reflect

>> Freya:Dragon Whisker, Kaiser Helmet, Venetia Shield, Dragon Mail, Rebirth Ring | High Jump + Auto-Life

>> Eiko: Mythril Racket, Dark Hat, Chimera Bracelet, Rubber Suit | Always-Haste + High Tide


I think you can now imagine battle strategy using this setup.


- Initial Stats Challenge;

Damn. I forgot to add 'Solo' >_<;


(can we add No Limits :))?


That maybe very helpful to stay alive, but how will you kill Ultemicia?

Yep. Although it's called No Junction Solo Selphie\Quistis, for Ultimecia you must add Rinoa >_<;;


Plus today I found Time Attack Playdiary (FFVIII)

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"No matter what happens, isn't it important to try?" - Bugenhagen (FFVII)

From: No End | Posted: 12/4/2005 6:37:57 PM | Message Detail

^ Tsuki, but that's not the thing that I'm looking for though, for FFIX at least. It is for the Level One EX2 right?


Ragnarok is gotten from the Chocobo H&C and there's no bloody way they can get that equipment while trying to do a EX2 game. Same for the Whale Whiskers.


But if that's for the Level One, with something added.. maybe.


To be more precise, I'm looking for the battles against:

Hilgaris

Ark

Meltigemini

Kuja

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"Pfft. Sephiroth is my foot-rest and when he's good I give him a cookie." - SoulOfFayth

From: No End | Posted: 12/4/2005 6:45:10 PM | Message Detail

Damn. I forgot to add 'Solo' >_<;


(can we add No Limits :))?


Haha, would that be possible?


Yep. Although it's called No Junction Solo Selphie\Quistis, for Ultimecia you must add Rinoa >_<;;


Weak...

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"Pfft. Sephiroth is my foot-rest and when he's good I give him a cookie." - SoulOfFayth

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 12/4/2005 6:53:38 PM | Message Detail

Hilgaris

Ark

Meltigemini

Kuja


For that No Abillity Challenge or for L1 EX2? Because setup that I given was not for EX2.


Haha, would that be possible?

Why no ? I think main method of dealing damage will be not attacks or limit but Magic (High Level Magic like -ga, Quake, Tornado, Flare etc..).


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"No matter what happens, isn't it important to try?" - Bugenhagen (FFVII)

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 12/4/2005 8:20:06 PM | Message Detail

Hillgigaris


Setup:

Zidane - Gladius, Bandana, Leather Plate, Power Belt (MP Attack )

Vivi - Ice Staff, Steeple Hat(??), Mythril Bracelet, Cotton Robe, Magician Shoes

Dagger - Stardust Rod, Magician Shoes

Eiko - Golem Flute, Lamia's Tiara, Bone Wrist


Battle:

Zidane - Attacks

Vivi - Blizzara (or Ice2)
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