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General Challenge Discussions Topic Part II

From: GarlandG | Posted: 10/11/2005 9:29:49 AM | Message Detail

Here we are again. I just copy/pasted the intro from the last topic and did some changes...


This topic is meant for challenge discussions in general, but you can also use it for asking questions regarding challenges. We are teh skilled dudes, so you can ask us about anything. Also, if you're currently doing a challenge on your own, you can use this topic to post updates, telling us about your progress and share your opinions and experience about the challenge. Use the Speed Run Discussions Topic for Speed Run discussion.


To make this first post a bit more interesting, I decided to add some general info about challenges. First off, a list over rules and restrictions.


LL - Low(est) Level: You may never exceed level 28. If a character's level is higher than 28 after the battle with Jenova-SYNTHESIS, you have failed at maintaining the lowest level.


NM - No Materia: Any use of materia is strictly prohibited, and you are not allowed to have materia equipped at any point in the game. Materia may be sold.


NI - No Items: You may never use items. Exceptions are batteries, Key Items and the Save Crystal. Items can be sold. Stealing items to sell is not allowed.


IE - Initial Equipment: You may only use the weapon and armor a character is equipped with when he/she joins the party. Example: Cloud may only use Buster Sword and Bronze Bangle. In other words, stay away from the "Equip" menu. Equipment may be sold.


NA - No Accessories: Never equip an accessory. Nuff said. Accessories may be sold.


NNMI - No Non-Mandatory Inns: You are not allowed to sleep at Inns, use recovery springs, let the guys in the temple heal you or use Tents. Ask lolo26 for complete list of mandatory inns.


SC - Single Character: You can only use one character in battle throughout the whole challenge.


NE - No Escaping: You're not allowed to escape any random battles. All encounters must be fought and defeated.


LE - Lowest EXP: After beating Jenova-SYNTHESIS, you must have the lowest amount of EXP possible.


MO - Materia Only: You may only use Materia. Any use of Items, Limit Breaks and Physical Attacks is strictly prohibited. You can use the Defend command.


IO - Items Only: Same as above, but exchange Materia with Items and vise versa.


CMO - Command Materia Only: Materia is allowed, but you can only use Command Materia. The Materia may not interfere with other rules. Example: If the challenge has NI as well, you cannot use W-Item.


MMO - Magic Materia Only: Same as above, but exchange Command with Magic. No Magic Materia can interfere with other rules, IIRC.


NLB - No Limit Breaks: You may not use Limit Breaks. Simple and plain.


L1L - Level 1 Limits: You can only use level 1 Limit Breaks. Mostly used in challenges with no level restriction.


NPA - No Physical Attacks: Never use the attack command in battle.


NES - No Enemy Skills: Materia is allowed, but you may not use Enemy Skills.


These are some of the toughest challenges that have been beaten:


LLNIIENA - Me, Thundaka, Lolo26, Anima Zero*

LLNMIENA - Me, Thundaka**

LLNIIENACMO - Me, Thundaka

SCNMIENANE - Thundaka

SCNIIENANE - Thundaka

Necrosis' MO Challenge - Lolo26 (ask him for details)

SCNMNIIENA***

NMNIIENANNMIL1L***


* Reached level 33 (I think)

** Reached level 29

*** Only Safer-Sephiroth has not been beaten in these challenges.


For the moment, Anima Zero and Tsuki are doing LLNIIENACMO and essentialism is doing LLNMIENA. The LLIOIENA Challenge will start on November 1st, and I'll post a separate topic for this challenge in about two weeks. Hopefully, many people will join this challenge.


Earlier challenge topics can be found here:


http://www.home.no/garlandg/Challenge%20Topics/


I guess that's it for now.

From: GarlandG | Posted: 10/11/2005 9:32:10 AM | Message Detail

And since so many usually ask; here's the complete Mandatory Inn list:


1. Cloud is healed after you escape Reactor No.1

2. The party is healed in the 7th Heaven Bar

3. Cloud is healed after he falls in the Church

4. The party is healed once Aeris reaches the top floor of the Church

5. The party is healed at Aeris's House

6. Cloud is healed on the way to Wall Market ( just after chitchatting with Aeris)

7. The party is healed as soon as you reach the bottom of the Pillar

8. Cloud is healed after the fight with Reno

9. The party is healed on Floor 67 in the Shinra HQ

10. The party is healed as soon as you have confirmed the death of President Shinra on Floor 70

11. The party is healed before Motor Ball

12. The party is healed as soon as you reach the World Map ( or was it just before when you have to split up?? I can't remember)

13. The party is healed after the Flashback in Kalm

14. The party is healed in Junon after defeating Bottomswell

15. Cloud is healed as soon as you enter Gold Saucer

16. Barret is healed when he fights Dyne

17. The party is healed after you defeat Gi Nattack

18. The party is healed in Gold Saucer, just before heading to the Temple of the Ancients

19. The party is healed in Gongoga, after the Temple of the Ancients

20. The party is healed when you have dug for the "Lunar Harp"

21. The party is healed in the Forgotten City ( you have to sleep to get the Big Fish out of the way, I always found that a bit illogical but oh well....)

22. The party is healed once you get to control Barret at the Execution

23. The party is healed once you re-enter Midgar

24. The party is healed after Hojo, at the end of Disc2.

From: BZer0 | Posted: 10/11/2005 10:13:23 AM | Message Detail

OMG furst!1!11

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From: michael_moses | Posted: 10/11/2005 11:27:57 AM | Message Detail

OMG! Second!

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From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 10/11/2005 11:37:02 AM | Message Detail

Omg flooders.....


About my status now : I'm ready to fight with Schizo -)

But for now I just testing strategies for Ruby Weapon -> Command and Support materia only ))

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From: ffmasterjose | Posted: 10/11/2005 11:40:03 AM | Message Detail

Any new challenges thought of yet?

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I am The One of Final Fantasy

From: FeuFeu | Posted: 10/11/2005 11:43:26 AM | Message Detail

About the mandatory inns...

Isn't there one after the Ultimate Weapon fight in Mideel/Cloud's real story in the Lifestream ?


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"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.", Lord Acton, 1887

From: Blitz_Ace470 | Posted: 10/11/2005 5:16:52 PM | Message Detail

Garland: To answer your question on the other topic, I will do, or at least attempt, the LLIOIENA challenge. I may start later than you guys because I'm still busy with NMNIIENA, but eventually I'll do it.


Now, regarding NMNIIENA: About what level should I be before the Temple? Cait is at 26, Cloud and Yuffie are at 27, and Aeris is at 24 IIRC. Cait has the Slots already, but I suck at getting the Megalixir thingy. Cloud has Climhazzard, and Aeris has her 2-1 limit. Should I get Pulse of Life before proceeding?


Anyway, I'm gonna check the FAQ now, but some other suggestions from other people are always good.

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Yuna: ...... ****! NOT IFRIT! - Arbron

From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 10/11/2005 6:11:58 PM | Message Detail

Try to get Fury on Aeris and Yuffie from Levrikon's Flaming Peck (Near Chocobo Farm). And I guess Pulse of Life + Meteorain would be nice.


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From: Blitz_Ace470 | Posted: 10/11/2005 6:52:51 PM | Message Detail

Yeah, I was going to get Fury anyway. After reading the FAQ, I guess I really need to get Pulse of Life, or it'll be pretty hard... Yeah, I'll get it. Not now, though. Later, maybe.

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Yuna: Don't worry. I can fly! *falls off palace*

Yuna: ...... ****! NOT IFRIT! - Arbron

From: Thundaka | Posted: 10/11/2005 10:04:02 PM | Message Detail

Already the other topic hit 500 posts? We go through these posts fast. Hopefully you'll archive the previous topic, Garland--right?


Blitz: Though I haven't added it to my FAQ yet, get Blood Fang for Red as soon as you can. As your only way of draining MP from enemies (unless you decide to get Dragon instead), I suspect it will be invaluable against Schizo, Carry Armor, and the other nasties. Though to complete the challenge, you'd probably have to have levels in the high 90s--there's no way you'll do enough damage to Safer otherwise.


Everyone in this topic: Would you mind reading my new LLNIIENA FAQ and telling me what you think of it?

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"When you take a squirrel out of water, it contrives a plot against you." - West African proverb

From: Blitz_Ace470 | Posted: 10/11/2005 10:08:39 PM | Message Detail

Nice idea. I hadn't really thought of Red... Will do that later, after getting Pulse of Life. Blood Fang is which of Red's limits?

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Yuna: Don't worry. I can fly! *falls off palace*

Yuna: ...... ****! NOT IFRIT! - Arbron

From: BZer0 | Posted: 10/12/2005 2:26:43 AM | Message Detail

Blood Fang is Red's 2-1 LB.

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From: Moaos | Posted: 10/12/2005 2:45:30 AM | Message Detail

How is NMNIIENANNMIL1L even possible beyond pure luck?

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"Well at least I shall die as I have lived. Completely surrounded by morons." Black Mage, 8-Bit Theater

From: BZer0 | Posted: 10/12/2005 3:04:07 AM | Message Detail

Well, since there's no "LL" in that challenge I'm guessing there's a lot of leveling involved in that challenge, so you can at least get your HP up a ittle.


And there's probably a reason why you're allowed to use your Lv. 1 limit breaks. You can use Healing Wind or Clear Tranquil to heal, Cross Slash to paralyze enemies, Mind Blow to drain an enemy's MP, Lunatic High to haste your party, and you can use Vincent's Galian Beast to do decent damage.

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From: GarlandG | Posted: 10/12/2005 4:15:05 AM | Message Detail

You're up bright and early, BZer0? Or should I say late?


About the mandatory inns...

Isn't there one after the Ultimate Weapon fight in Mideel/Cloud's real story in the Lifestream ?


Nope.


Already the other topic hit 500 posts? We go through these posts fast. Hopefully you'll archive the previous topic, Garland--right?


Yup. As for your FAQ, I read a couple of chapters every day, but as I said, I can't read much until my eyes start to hurt. If I only had a printer....

From: BZer0 | Posted: 10/12/2005 4:43:41 AM | Message Detail

Uh, I got up at 1:30 AM. Does that qualify as late or early?

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From: dinky12 | Posted: 10/12/2005 4:59:51 AM | Message Detail

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From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 10/12/2005 7:29:24 AM | Message Detail

You still have attack and protect items, and high levels too ^^


For me, I'm ready to Rude. Battles from Jenova-Life to Carry Armor was easy. You need just deplete their MP and hack them down. Frog Song was helpfull at soldiers battles (I love Frog Song).

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From: KADFC | Posted: 10/12/2005 7:38:26 AM | Message Detail

This is by far the most insane topic that I've read today.


Everyone's doing there own challenge. lol

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From: TsukiNoNeko | Posted: 10/13/2005 10:07:04 AM | Message Detail

Somebody tried this ?

http://astron.berkeley.edu/~dperley/ff7/ff7.html


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From: T3AL | Posted: 10/13/2005 10:17:00 AM | Message Detail

With NE you should put it down that escape and remove can not be used.

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You were sniffing crotches werent you? *Thwacks Ashaman on the nose with a news paper* Bad Ashy!! Crotches will rot your brain!~Pyro to Ashaman

From: Blitz_Ace470 | Posted: 10/13/2005 5:52:04 PM | Message Detail

I'm up to Demons Gate, but my bad luck is preventing me from continuing.


First try: Double Rock Drop on Aeris.

Second try: Double Rock Drop on Aeris.

Last try (so far): Cave-In (Aeris was at 600 after this). Aeris Defends. Rock Drop on Cloud (got killed), Rock Drop on Aeris... Critical! Game Over.


I'll try again later.

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Yuna: Don't worry. I can fly! *falls off palace*

Yuna: ...... ****! NOT IFRIT! - Arbron

From: Beliars_blade | Posted: 10/13/2005 6:25:53 PM | Message Detail

NMNIIENANNMIL1L

it is immpossible to beat safer sepiroth i've tried 7 times and he's rag dolled me every time someone give me a hand please.

From: Blitz_Ace470 | Posted: 10/13/2005 6:47:15 PM | Message Detail

BTW, another question: Would Dragon + Blood Fang be able to drain all of Jenova-LIFE's MP? If so, it's peace of cake.

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Yuna: Don't worry. I can fly! *falls off palace*

Yuna: ...... ****! NOT IFRIT! - Arbron

From: Thundaka | Posted: 10/13/2005 8:49:56 PM | Message Detail

^Indeed, they would.

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"When you take a squirrel out of water, it contrives a plot against you." - West African proverb

From: phileasbu | Posted: 10/14/2005 3:36:04 AM | Message Detail

Since you don't have any attack items at the beginning of the game, how is IO possible?

Maybe attack(or limit) is allowed before you can get Grenades?

From: GarlandG | Posted: 10/14/2005 6:54:35 AM | Message Detail

We'll make an exception for the first reactor and allow physical attacks.

From: Godeskian | Posted: 10/14/2005 7:09:37 AM | Message Detail

Okay, i'm doing SCC with Vincent and i'm at Holzoffs place at the base of Gaea's cliff. I've got the Sniper equipped for a double cut/Deathblow combo, a Ribbon and the Dragon Armlet. Unfortunately, I keep getting mashed by Magic Breath, which does about 800 points of damage more than i've got HP.


so, off to do some more levelling.

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SCC - Lulu, Killika Port. SCC -Vincent, Gaea's Cliff

From: Necrosis | Posted: 10/14/2005 7:46:10 AM | Message Detail

Hooray for #2


And I may not have a TV in 2 weeks for the IO... but we'll see what I can do :)
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